Debate on was the 2004 election stolen?
Mark Crispin Miller, author of Fooled Again
- Extensive election fraud in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida, West Virginia, Oregon, Montana, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Jersey including Americans living abroad
- Pre-election in Ohio
- OH Secretary of State Ken Blackwell (also co-chair of Bush/Cheney Ohio)
- Tricks to reduce number of people that could register to vote
- Limit the usability of provisional balltos
- On election day in Ohio
- Undersupply of voting machines in Democratic areas esp. inner city and college towns
- Functioning voting machines were kept in warehouses
- Post-election in Ohio
- The Triad company went from county to county subverting the court ordered recount which never did take place
- There never was a recount
- 10% to 20% of hard line Democratic voters disappeared from the voter roll
- John Kerry told him personally that he now thinks the election was stolen
- Kerry was swayed by his brain trust – scared of looking like a sore loser
- Remember that Edwards four hours before had promised that they would count every vote
- Help America Vote Act mandates touch screen voting
Mark Hertsgaard, reporter for Mother Jones
- Contends the election wasn’t stolen – but agrees there is a lot of suspicious activities
- The story of Warren County election building lockdown
- Yes, the FBI denied any such terrorist threat
- Yes the county did say that the FBI had said there was
- It is not true that the votes were counted in secret
- In Warren County, reporters have never been allowed in the counting room
- Miami County story that 13K-19K votes disappeared after 100% precincts reporting
- A liberal Democrat who was involved said he didn’t see anything fishy
- Misreading the word reporting – a precinct is said to have reported once one vote in in from that precinct
- Recount in New Hampshire (paid for by Green Party) found totals were wrong
- Election stolen is plausible but a real investigation is needed
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